For those that are interested, Vol 1.3 of "All things considered..." is available at it's usual place.

I invite you to take a look.

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Maybe the spot could be changed to "All things unconsidered" or "All stuff considered" or "All things considerededed" to remove discomfort about it. But I highly doubt the NPR people are going after Mr. Rayvenhaus anytime soon, so no need to get overly excited.... he's not exactly making any money on this, just offering a service, and money is pretty much where it's at! He also did not use the copyright or TM or other symbol, so it should be clear to anyone that there's no false pretense going on. The actual phrase "all things considered", like most common phrases, cannot be owned by anyone in and of itself. Only if a person were trying to trick someone into thinking they were representing NPR, or making money off this title, or using their symbols after it, would NPR care about it. In the music world, we run into this all the time. We can play pieces at a given venue, even though they were written or arranged by others. We give the composer credit, and money-making venues pay ASCAP fees, etc. Otherwise, if we play gratis for some non-profit event, it's a moot point. We still mention the composer if appropriate, but no royalties happen because no money was made. However, when we've recorded others' compositions, they get credit and tune royalties on every CD we sell. If it's played on the radio, & the tune is listed with BMI, the composer gets the royalties too. Turning someone else's invention into your own profit w/o giving credit due, is where the catch is. --lunaryakketyact

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> The actual phrase "all things considered",
> like most common phrases, cannot be owned
> by anyone in and of itself.

I disagree. How about "Just Do It"? Or "Fright Fest"? The United States has
commercial trademark laws, and they don't equate to music copyright laws.


> ... using their symbols after it, would NPR care about it.

Why wouldn't NPR care? They spend a lot of money to promote and perform their
programming. Dilution of their trademarked phrase can hardly be in their best
interest in any way. Why wouldn't they spend some money to protect their
investment?

Personally, I would just come up with an original name instead of blatantly
using a known trademarked name.

-- Wes

letterboxing@wesgarrison.us writes:


> Dilution of their trademarked phrase can hardly be in their best
> interest in any way. Why wouldn't they spend some money to protect their
> investment?
>

This is true. Even if they don't care about this particular use, they have
to show they defend their trademarks in order to avoid losing them.

DebBee


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Well, the difference is because it's all about MONEY--- we aren't making any money when we use the phrase "all things considered" or "just do it"; we use them all the time. The fact that they show up in an email or as a discussion subject line on a website is only going to bother the powers that be, if someone is truly ripping them off financially or mis-representing themselves by using the trademark symbols after the name. Otherwise they aren't going to spend good money getting concerned about it. There are hundreds of enterprises (money-making ones) that have the same group name we have, simply because it's a common & popular name, but none of them are going after eachother because there's no intention to rip one another off. Now if Rayvenhaus would try to name a whole website "All Things Considered" and pretend he was part of that NPR organization & use the symbols, logos, etc. it would be a whole different story.

I was trying to make the point that a common phrase like this can't truly be owned SO completely that when it shows up somewhere, the company's going to get up in arms. And if they are actually getting more notice because of the way you used their name, they have no reason to stop you. Music laws are actually quite strict too, in fact that's what much of the legalistic email was about...using music & interviews from the show. Yes, if Rayvenhaus put music from All Songs Considered on his site, there would be problems because those music groups would want payment. Again, it's all about money. Most of us have been at least as guilty as this when we make Xeroxes, scans, faxes, etc. of all kinds of copyrighted things. Few people even think twice about it, but at the same time they are rarely going out and selling them. -lunaryakketyact



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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Wes Garrison"
wrote:
> Personally, I would just come up with an original name instead of blatantly
> using a known trademarked name.


Thank you Wes, my point exactly. One of the (many) reasons that I like the options
that this hobby entails. Mostly for the creative person, originality is the name of the
game. This comes down to stamp designs, clue writing, etc. etc. on down the list.
In general I just abhor mediocrity.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." - next stop wonderland.

phyto

For whatever its worth (maybe its worth nothing...lol) I've never
even heard of NPR or "All Things Considered" whatever the heck they
are that you all are referring to, lol. On the topic of dilution of
the trademark, am I participating in this by unknowingly using this
phrase on a daily basis?!? lol...
I agree with whoever was mentioning that Mr. R isn't trying to make
any money by using that name or whatever it is (still confused,
lol)...that might change things. "All Things Considered" is such a
GENERIC phrase that everyone uses that I find it hard not to believe
that people use it accidentally as a title, etc on a daily basis.
Someone please clarify if I am totally off base because I don't know
what this "ATC" even is (is it a song? is it a program?).
Tara

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, StDebb@a... wrote:
> letterboxing@w... writes:
>
>
> > Dilution of their trademarked phrase can hardly be in their best
> > interest in any way. Why wouldn't they spend some money to
protect their
> > investment?
> >
>
> This is true. Even if they don't care about this particular use,
they have
> to show they defend their trademarks in order to avoid losing them.
>
> DebBee
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Far be it from me to be less than perfect then! (grin) I'm sorry my mediocrity makes me but barely adequate to
participate in your hobby.

"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pains of stupidity." - Frank Leahy
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http://www.lbworld.org - Carpe Arcanum Arco
"A world of difference awaits you."
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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Tara" wrote:
> For whatever its worth (maybe its worth nothing...lol) I've never
> even heard of NPR or "All Things Considered" whatever the heck
they
> are that you all are referring to, lol. On the topic of dilution
of
> the trademark, am I participating in this by unknowingly using
this
> phrase on a daily basis?!? lol...
> I agree with whoever was mentioning that Mr. R isn't trying to
make
> any money by using that name or whatever it is (still confused,
> lol)...that might change things.

Since this possible trademark violation would be a private matter
between NPR and the party (Mr. R) that owns the web site then I
think it would be a great idea to test the case. It would not have
any impact on LBNA or the main chatlist so I see no reason why
anyone should be concerned, that is anyone other than the parties
envolved.
Don

LOL :P Your quote cracked me up. So true!

Tara
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Team Rayvenhaus"
wrote:
> Far be it from me to be less than perfect then! (grin) I'm sorry
my mediocrity makes me but barely adequate to
> participate in your hobby.
>
> "Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pains of stupidity." -
Frank Leahy
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
> The World of Letterboxing Community
> http://www.lbworld.org - Carpe Arcanum Arco
> "A world of difference awaits you."
> ----------------------------------------------------------------

I don't understand why you posted this to the list when you could
have sent a private email.
Nor do I understand why you choose to respond to people in this
unpleasant tone.
Doesn't really reflect well on you.
B.V.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto" wrote:
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rayvenhaus"
wrote:=
>
> > For those that are interested, Vol 1.3 of "All things
considered..."
>
> Mr. Rayvenhaus- I highly suggest you review the following
information. If y=
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The unpleasantness baffles me, too. Why such vehemence? Why throw the whole book at someone for the whole list to read? If others of you are tired of people being humiliated here, please speak up. I'm tired of it and I haven't even been here long. I think it makes the newer people wonder whether it is related to some kind of past history on here, and yet part of me doesn't even want to know. It does start to look like a way to send people packing. Whatever history is or was, this is not the solution to it. If people are disgruntled with eachother, it could be worked out in private. Honestly, I doubt if any of us are completely free from guilt of using someone's intellectual property, knowingly or unknowingly, at some point in our lives. If it were such a problem to NPR, they could probably handle it, and it's quite possible they have huger fish to fry! If, as Mr. Rayvenhaus says, the name is going to change, that's fine... but good grief, let's lighten up! I don't understand what is so threatening about a website or about a little mistake in judgment. Let's give letterboxing a chance. Right now we're putting a very unpleasant facade on it. I still have hope that it (the tone of some of the dialogue here) can change, but it's going to take some maturity all around.

BTW, Tara-- I don't know if you got your answer about NPR; didn't see one. At the risk of thinking you were serious when you may not have been, I will answer. ( It's not always easy to be sure of a person's tone on here, or in emails, especially if it might be sarcasm) Anyway, NPR is National Public Radio, and All Things... is a news-type program in which just about any subject is fair game. If you haven't listened to news coverage on NPR, it will be a different scoop from whatever you are used to. You can catch BBC on there too (British Broadcasting Corp.) NPR needs listeners like you.... ;o) they were just doing a fund drive. Looking forward to going back to real letterboxing news, folks. --lunaryakketyact



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"The unpleasantness baffles me, too. Why such vehemence? Why throw the
whole book at someone for the whole list to read? If others of you are
tired of people being humiliated here, please speak up. I'm tired of it and
I haven't even been here long. I think it makes the newer people wonder
whether it is related to some kind of past history on here, and yet part of
me doesn't even want to know."

very well said! my sentiments also. a lot of the posts here either are or
are on the verge of humiliation. and i also am tired of it. i hesitate to
recommend this group to anyone seeking out information on letterboxing.
there are some marvelous posts on here and i have gained a lot of insight. i
like to think it is only a select few and not the majority that speaks this
way. it is a big world out there plenty of room for all of us. let the past
die and enjoy the mystery, suspense, elation (feel free to put in your own
adjective) of letterboxing and life itself.
smile
uneksia

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Just to bring some of the newer members up to speed...

I think part of the reason Phyto placed this post on the big list was
that there had been another instance last year of a gathering having
the name "Fright Fest". Six-FLags uses that name as an event that it
promotes and Six Flags decided to make a huge deal out of it by
sending letters (from what we hear) to the list owner and to Steve of
Rayvenhaus. I think that perhaps (?) Phyto wanted to remind everyone
to be very cautious of using corporate logos, slogans, and other
assorted goodies as titles of events, columns, and boxes. I doubt
that Phyto was personally attacking Steve, just providing a friendly
reminder that others do indeed take notice and that we must be a bit
more attentive.

-Steve, Heidi, and Madras


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Anna Lisa Yoder"
wrote:
> Well, the difference is because it's all about MONEY--- we aren't
making any money when we use the phrase "all things considered"
or "just do it"; we use them all the time.

I disagree with this assessment. There was absolutely NOTHING friendly about Phyto's "reminder". I personally am sick of seeing all this bulls**t attacking each other back and forth. Can we please get back to LETTERBOXING?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Peppermint Patti

P.S. I CAN delete those messages...and DO...but they still fill up my inbox!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve and Heidi"
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:22:54 -0000
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: All things considered....

I doubt that Phyto was personally attacking Steve, just providing a friendly
reminder that others do indeed take notice and that we must be a bit
more attentive.

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I agree that there seems to be some kind of undercurrent of
hostility, especially if someone tries to create a website
concerning letterboxing. I had always thought if you don't like
someone's page you don't bookmark it and don't go back. But then I
guess I'm not acquainted with the war against mediocrity...I hope
the soldiers don't come across any of my stamp efforts :)

My time on the web has shown me that some people seem to live to
take out their hostilities on others, especially in the relative
anonymity of the 'net. Emailing privately, which would be more
likely to acheive the supposed goal of correcting or informing
someone, doesn't give the hostile parties the unique combination of
anonymity and audience they seem to need. When these kind of people
become vocal on a list and there is not moderation to buffer it,
there is not much option for the people who prefer pleasant
discussion but to go elsewhere.

A separate list has been created for my state which is small,
friendly, supportive, and sticks to the topic. Hopefully lists
exist for other states, or you could create one for your own!

Cristy in TX



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Anna Lisa Yoder"
wrote:
> The unpleasantness baffles me, too. Why such vehemence? Why
throw the whole book at someone for the whole list to read? If
others of you are tired of people being humiliated here, please
speak up.

Me! Me! I'm tired of it, too. I think it's ugly and childish and I
really don't see the point at all.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Anna Lisa Yoder"
wrote:

> If others of you are tired of people being humiliated here,
please speak up.

Here, here! I personally would rather read nasty
flame wars that be subjected to the "Ramblings
of Ravenhouse" (which would have been a
much better title than "Eye of the Storm?!?"
What freakin' storm?).

Sooooo, rather than dragging this out, why don't
y'all just read about the original flame war from
five years ago, which was much more
interesting. Here's the link:

home.gwi.net/~moxie1/Clues/letterbox-usa-history-1999-4.html

-Isosceles


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Brian, Ryan & Lori"
wrote:
>
> >I don't understand why you posted this to the list when you could
> >have sent a private email.
> >Nor do I understand why you choose to respond to people in this
> >unpleasant tone.
> >Doesn't really reflect well on you.
> >B.V.
>
> That's what I love about this country, and this list. Just as Steve
> has every right to make fun of the Nazi's murdering 6 million
> innocent men, women, and children on his web site, so too does
Phyto
> to use what ever tone she pleases on this list. I guess it's all a
> question of what you consider offensive, I for one find Steve's
brand
> of humor to be much more offensive than Phyto's "matter of fact"
> tone. But that's just me.
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon

Please understand, I am not trying to make light of anything as horrendous as the fact that millions upon millions of
innocent men, women and children were brutally murdered. Nowhere did I make light of it, nowhere did I laugh at it,
nothing and I take offense at the fact that you would twist my words around and insinuate that I did so.

It is this type of word twisting and lies that make this hobby less than desirable to the new folks that come along
and read these words.

The words that are referred to are in 'The Eye of the Storm, Vol 1.1', half way down the page.

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Brian, Ryan & Lori"
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:58:27 -0000
Subject: [LbNA] Re: All things considered....

>
> >I don't understand why you posted this to the list when you could
> >have sent a private email.
> >Nor do I understand why you choose to respond to people in this
> >unpleasant tone.
> >Doesn't really reflect well on you.
> >B.V.
>
> That's what I love about this country, and this list. Just as Steve
> has every right to make fun of the Nazi's murdering 6 million
> innocent men, women, and children on his web site, so too does Phyto
> to use what ever tone she pleases on this list. I guess it's all a
> question of what you consider offensive, I for one find Steve's brand
> of humor to be much more offensive than Phyto's "matter of fact"
> tone. But that's just me.
>
> Brian
> TeamGreenDragon
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Cristy"
wrote:
> I agree that there seems to be some kind of undercurrent of
> hostility, especially if someone tries to create a website
> concerning letterboxing. I had always thought if you don't like
> someone's page you don't bookmark it and don't go back.


Cristy,

I don't think that there is hostility towards the creation of a new
letterboxing web site, but I do believe many folks get pretty tired
of the daily onslaught of posts pushing alternate web sites. I have
attempted off list communications with some owners of the alternate
sites and in some cases have been met with very nasty responses.
When I have discussed the ethics of advertising one's web site,data
base or chat list(with every post) on this chat list , the
communication turn sour. When I have responses that get nasty then I
cease private discussions. I'm fairly sure others have received like
comunications and that leaves open discussions on this list or no
discussion at all. That certainly is an alternative that some folks
have opted for as they no longer post on this list.

If you return to Phyto's original post, you will find nothing "she"
wrote that was wrong. I believe the trademark warning included was a
tad much, but she didn't write it. It should have been used in total
if it is used at all. You may have read "hostility" into the post,
but that certainly isn't Phytos problem. You may have read sarcasm
that may or may not have been there, as it is most difficult to
discern in written text.

Don

Dearest Letterboxers, while decorum would require that her Ladyship
remain above the fray she is moved by an impolite and unwise desire
to reveal her secret delight in following these flame wars and finds
them entertaining but inconsequential in a world beset by much more
significant problems. But, Dear me, her Ladyship is truly shocked
after reading our Mr. Rayvenhaus' missive on his web site which was
referred to by our Teamgreendragon, that such images could come to
someone in reference to their own child regardless of how
fleeting...Shocking indeed.

Oh golly, of the 1662 members of this list
- someone's going to offend me!

The solution to everything....

Visit www.groups.yahoo.com
Sign in to letterbox-usa
Click on 'edit my membership'

Then either

A- Click on 'No E-Mail' and 'Save Changes' to read only posts with
intriquing subject lines when online and at the list. Your mailbox
will ne'er o'erflow again.

or

B- Click on 'Leave Group' and never be bothered again.

I bristle at the thought of moderation and being limited to what I am
'allowed' to say. So I simply ignore outre-imposed boundaries and say
what I like within self-imposed restrictions. Flame me. I'm already
flaming anyhoo.

"Doc, it hurts when I do this." says the patient.
The doctor replies "Then don't do that."

"It's offensive when I read posts like that." cries the ISFP.
"Get over yourself, Mary." replies the ENTJ.

is that last bit a Myers-Briggs reference?

poisoniivv wrote:Oh golly, of the 1662 members of this list
- someone's going to offend me!

The solution to everything....

Visit www.groups.yahoo.com
Sign in to letterbox-usa
Click on 'edit my membership'

Then either

A- Click on 'No E-Mail' and 'Save Changes' to read only posts with
intriquing subject lines when online and at the list. Your mailbox
will ne'er o'erflow again.

or

B- Click on 'Leave Group' and never be bothered again.

I bristle at the thought of moderation and being limited to what I am
'allowed' to say. So I simply ignore outre-imposed boundaries and say
what I like within self-imposed restrictions. Flame me. I'm already
flaming anyhoo.

"Doc, it hurts when I do this." says the patient.
The doctor replies "Then don't do that."

"It's offensive when I read posts like that." cries the ISFP.
"Get over yourself, Mary." replies the ENTJ.


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Yep, MB Type Indicator

I'm a Thinker to an extreme.

Feelers can make me crazy(ier).

I'm a feeler, oh well. It would have never worked out for us! LOL

poisoniivv wrote:Yep, MB Type Indicator

I'm a Thinker to an extreme.

Feelers can make me crazy(ier).





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I'm a fondler. Mainly of dead lemurs, but a fondler none the less.
Does that make me a bad person? And hey, flame throwers, when am I
going to get flamed for inappropriate postings, sarcasm, and beating
dead things? Huh, huh, huh?

What do you have to do around here to get chastised?

How 'bout this: "Your shoes don't match your bag!"

Or in letterboxing terms: "Your backpack doesn't match your boots!"

Tammy
ADG #1


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Hikers_n_ Hounds
wrote:
> I'm a feeler, oh well. It would have never worked out for us! LOL
>
> poisoniivv wrote:Yep, MB Type Indicator
>
> I'm a Thinker to an extreme.
>
> Feelers can make me crazy(ier).
>
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Dearest Tammy,

How dare you insult our ability to accessorize! Her Ladyship can
tolerate the slings and arrows of the little people who envy her,
but to insult our fashion sense is beyond the pale. Her Ladyship has
never been so offended in all her spectacular life. That you should
attempt to impose your "taste" on her Ladyship is to carry it too
far. Such hostility is intolerable and her Ladyship for one will not
take it lying down on her lovely hand woven Italian silk erminissimo
duvet cover from the Antico Setificio Fiorentino. No, indeed not.
Her Ladyship shall see to it that your footwear is mocked at every
turn. You shall never show your ill-coifed head in any of the more
respectable letterboxing locations unbowed or unashamed. You have
simply ruined my enthusiasm for tasteful boxing attire. I hope that
you are pleased with yourself.

Lady Prisspott

PS you'll be hearing from PETA, you sick perverted lemurophile

LP, you didn't mention Tammy's ugly vinyl $#!% brown handbag!

Hey, um. are we DONE with this yet?

- A. Lurker, no longer able to bite her tongue


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Okay now that is below the belt. (pardon the horrible pun) Plus I
got rid of that hideous piece of s--t a while ago. I am now
carrying a Liz Claiborne ugly black vinyl handbag. So put that in
your fancy imported better than everyone else's pipe and smoke it!

Tammy
ADG #1


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "poisoniivv"
wrote:
> LP, you didn't mention Tammy's ugly vinyl $#!% brown handbag!

Gee Catbead, I think this post is more incendiary and much more
unfounded that Phyto's original post. I didn't think you were capable
of such treachery. Hats off to you.

-Isosceles


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "catbead1" wrote:
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto" wrote:
>
> snip>>
>
> If y=
> > ou have
> > trouble reading this, then I would be happy to forward your email
on
> to npr=
> > .
> > Have a nice day.
> >
>
>
> I have tried to stay out of the recent onslaught of flame wars that
> now control the content of this list. But this growing arrogance
has
> me thinking that maybe now, we know who sent the email that caused
all
> the legal problems for Steve, Letterboxing.org and Randy Hall over
the
> use of the name "Fright Fest" for Steve's gathering last October.
>
> catbead

>A separate list has been created for my state which is small,
>friendly, supportive, and sticks to the topic. Hopefully lists
>exist for other states, or you could create one for your own!

>Cristy in TX


Wow! Are you allowed to say that something is *small* in Texas?!? Do the other Texans know about this?

Dave, RI
The von der Insels
P9 F177 X93 H5 E1





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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dave & diane"
wrote:
> >A separate list has been created for my state which is small,
> >friendly, supportive, and sticks to the topic. Hopefully lists
> >exist for other states, or you could create one for your own!
>
> >Cristy in TX
>
>
> Wow! Are you allowed to say that something is *small* in Texas?!?
Do the other Texans know about this?
>
> Dave, RI
> The von der Insels
> P9 F177 X93 H5 E1


Small in numbers but Huge in Spirit!

Silver Eagle

--- Silver Eagle wrote:
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dave & diane"
>
> wrote:
> > >A separate list has been created for my state
> which is small,
> > >friendly, supportive, and sticks to the topic.
> Hopefully lists
> > >exist for other states, or you could create one
> for your own!
> >
> > >Cristy in TX
> >
> >
> > Wow! Are you allowed to say that something is
> *small* in Texas?!?
> Do the other Texans know about this?
> >
> > Dave, RI
> > The von der Insels
> > P9 F177 X93 H5 E1
>
>
> Small in numbers but Huge in Spirit!
>
> Silver Eagle
>
>
As always, Silver Eagle sums it up nicely for all of
us Texans!

Lucy




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I agree with your post completely lunaryakketyact...totally
unnecessary to FLOOD everyone's inbox with that--definately should
have been emailed directly to Mr. R. I feel sorry for anyone on
digest :P
And thanks for the NPR info...i was serious.
Tara

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Anna Lisa Yoder"
wrote:
> The unpleasantness baffles me, too. Why such vehemence? Why throw
the whole book at someone for the whole list to read? If others of
you are tired of people being humiliated here, please speak up. I'm
tired of it and I haven't even been here long. I think it makes the
newer people wonder whether it is related to some kind of past
history on here, and yet part of me doesn't even want to know. It
does start to look like a way to send people packing. Whatever
history is or was, this is not the solution to it. If people are
disgruntled with eachother, it could be worked out in private.
Honestly, I doubt if any of us are completely free from guilt of
using someone's intellectual property, knowingly or unknowingly, at
some point in our lives. If it were such a problem to NPR, they
could probably handle it, and it's quite possible they have huger
fish to fry! If, as Mr. Rayvenhaus says, the name is going to
change, that's fine... but good grief, let's lighten up! I don't
understand what is so threatening about a website or about a little
mistake in judgment. Let's give letterboxing a chance. Right now
we're putting a very unpleasant facade on it. I still have hope that
it (the tone of some of the dialogue here) can change, but it's going
to take some maturity all around.
>
> BTW, Tara-- I don't know if you got your answer about NPR; didn't
see one. At the risk of thinking you were serious when you may not
have been, I will answer. ( It's not always easy to be sure of a
person's tone on here, or in emails, especially if it might be
sarcasm) Anyway, NPR is National Public Radio, and All Things... is
a news-type program in which just about any subject is fair game. If
you haven't listened to news coverage on NPR, it will be a different
scoop from whatever you are used to. You can catch BBC on there too
(British Broadcasting Corp.) NPR needs listeners like you.... ;o)
they were just doing a fund drive. Looking forward to going back to
real letterboxing news, folks. --lunaryakketyact
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I second that notion!!! I'm surprised at all that's going on. I've recently become moderator of a yahoo group for 12-18 year olds, and that was the list I thought would act like this. But istead it appears to people with family's or are roughly in their middle ages. Let's stop all of this please and set a good example for your children.
Deviltechie

zed_boxing wrote:
Me! Me! I'm tired of it, too. I think it's ugly and childish and I
really don't see the point at all.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Anna Lisa Yoder"
wrote:

> If others of you are tired of people being humiliated here,
please speak up.




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